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welcome to summer in the scouts I'm your

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host Ryan spread today on the show we

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talked to former government employee and

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UFO investigator Shane hurt Shane has

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spent his career in the fields of civil

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engineering geographic information

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systems and information technologies it

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was the Phoenix lights incident in his

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hometown of Phoenix Arizona that sparked

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his interest in UFOs

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since that time he studied the subject

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and ultimately joined the MUFON as a

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field investigator today we talk about

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some of the most compelling cases he's

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investigating and then we dive deep into

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some of this fascinating articles he's

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written over a trove planet how was the

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late John McCain connected to the

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Rendlesham forest UFO incident and why

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do a huge number of UFO reports involve

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witnesses claiming complete silence

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during a sighting this and so much more

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right now

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Shane thank you so much for joining me

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today on somewhere in the skies no

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thanks so much for having me I'm excited

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I am excited to finally get you on it's

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taken long enough my friend

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well fellow Planeteers - exactly

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yes for those who don't know Shane is

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one of our rogue planet ears over at

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rogue planet TV so check out all of his

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articles over there we're gonna be

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bringing some of them up tonight so I'm

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excited to do that they can get a little

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tease of what you've been up to over

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there but before we even get to that

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Shane I want to know since this is going

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to be airing right at the end of

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December what is your favorite UFO event

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or case or human story from this past

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2018 put me on the spot here

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anything really stick out to you oh boy

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yeah I mean lots happen right

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I'd have to say anything related to a

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tip not that is fascinating to me right

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now yeah yeah I mean we we had what it's

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been almost a year now since we learned

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from the New York Times from to the

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Stars Academy about this secret Pentagon

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UFO program and I mean a

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of us probably had some inclinations

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that something was going on behind the

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scenes but the fact that the Pentagon

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was investigating this stuff that was

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news to me man I don't know about you

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yeah I think that's huge I mean for me I

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say this is one of the most significant

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events that have occurred in ufology and

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I don't know how long I mean when you

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think about it for the better part of 50

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years whatever that is from 1969 the

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United States government has denied

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until they're blue in the face that they

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had any interest whatsoever in UFOs they

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weren't researching them they didn't

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care about them and anybody that did was

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you know a lunatic I mean that's we all

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know that's the way it's been but I

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think one of the coolest things is and

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this is kind of selfish and I'll say we

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when I talk about ufology it really was

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a vindication of of the UFO community

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because all along he had been saying oh

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oh yeah the government it is interested

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and it is stunning them but we had no

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proof and then this came out and it's

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like hey you know what no we're not

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stupid we're not you know fanatics we're

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not conspiracy theorists what we are is

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right and you know you lied to us the

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whole time

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so I think that there's a bit of

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indication and it felt good to hear it

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that is a really good point I remember

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when this story first broke before I

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could even really get excited about it I

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was going around telling everyone I told

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you so I told you so and now I mean

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we've got almost a year since the story

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broke like I said earlier and we're

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learning a lot about the program

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I mean we're learning that there was a

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program called

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what was it awesome I believe mm-hmm and

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this is like an offshoot with Bob

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Bigelow and skinwalker ranch and this

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story just gets stranger and stranger

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man when we look at it 22 million

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dollars was allocated to this a tip

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program to invest

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UFOs now you and I both know and I'm

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sure most of listeners know that's not a

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lot of money when it comes to government

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funding first of all but now we're

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learning that a lot of that wasn't given

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to just search for UFOs or investigate

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UFO cases it was being given to a

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program to study this very secretive

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highly paranormal ranch in Utah so what

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do you make of the whole skinwalker

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ranch thing we have the documentary come

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out this past year by Jeremy Korbel and

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this place just seems to be a haven for

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weird stuff yeah absolutely I did read

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the 2005 book and I did see Jeremy's

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film and it it's fascinating and it you

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know it's actually you know pretty scary

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and it's hard to wrap your head around

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you know what it is but the fact that

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you know there this was a scientific

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approach you know scientists studied

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this and you know as we begin to learn

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the government was in fact and involved

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and you know this was taken quite

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seriously and some very very strange

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stuff has been studied and at least

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verified that it occurs I you know I'm

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sure they still don't know exactly what

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it is but yeah definitely weird stuff

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and and to that connection between you

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know a tip ASSA daas bass from-from big

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low and knids and not to see that all

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these things are fitting together or you

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know have some connections I mean I

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would never have even connected those

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dots and to find out that they are it's

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just that's another fascinating study

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into a different you know the structure

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of ufology I mean you know this is wild

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it is and the fact that this sort of

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rogue entreprenuer billionaire is the

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one tapping into all these things you

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really do have to wonder like what is

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his personal motivation Bob Bigelow

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we're talking about behind all of this

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what what does he what is he hoping to

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gain does he want that one answer to the

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UFO mystery or or what is it that is

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really driving this guy

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to get his fingers and all these

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paranormal pops as it were yeah really I

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really do wonder that yeah it's hard to

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figure but you know what I'm glad he did

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you know I'm glad he's he's involved I I

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mean think about what what would you do

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or what would I do if we had a billion

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dollars to spend you know we're gonna

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we're gonna spin in on ufology right

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we're gonna try and figure stuff out and

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so to me it's just really cool that

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somebody who has that kind of power and

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those resources are utilizing them - I

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know study this topic and you know

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hopefully something's gonna come from it

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that we'll all be able to benefit from

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right that we'll all be able to benefit

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from that's a really good way of looking

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at it when a lot of people ask me like

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what do you want out of ufology what do

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you want do you want to give you know do

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you want the public to know the truth

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about everything and yeah of course my

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short answer is yes I want the public to

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know the truth but at the end of the day

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Shane I think this is a deeply personal

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journey for all of us and at the end of

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the day I want those answers for myself

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it's a very selfish field as well yeah

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but you know I mean that's natural right

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we all do want to do want to know the

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the answer to this mystery but yeah I'm

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kind of I'm in that place to where

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that's the destination which it would be

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really great to get there but I don't

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want to overlook the journey I enjoy the

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journey to get there and I realize maybe

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in my lifetime we're not gonna get to

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the destination we won't know that

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answer but so if I just focused on that

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I would probably get discouraged you

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know but I'm focusing on the journey and

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I find it completely fascinating the

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people and the information and all that

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goes with it is just it's just our trip

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and it you know I just love it I

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couldn't from one weirdo to another yeah

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it really is about the journey I want to

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know how that journey sort of began for

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you how did you first get interested in

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UFOs what made you eventually become a

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UFO investigator I look back and I asked

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myself that question because you know I

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had a background that was you know quite

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real

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Jason and this whole concept you know

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wasn't really looked at favorably let's

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say I'm now no longer involved in that

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and not related to the ufology but as a

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result of that you know I have been able

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to pursue this more deeply but I was

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eight years old when we landed on the

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moon and so like every other kid in

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America I wanted to be an astronaut and

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you know just interested in all things

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space and on the total space geek but

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along with that is you know interest in

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sci-fi and of course UFOs but I don't

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really pursue it you know as a child and

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then young adult and then I got caught

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up in life you know got married and had

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a kid and tried to you know earn a

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living and just really didn't focus on

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that until something happened and I can

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say I've never seen a UFO I've never had

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a paranormal experience at all I'm doing

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this just out of intellectual curiosity

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but in 1997 I was a resident still am a

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Phoenix Arizona and when that Phoenix

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lights incident happened I mean I know

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where I was that night again I didn't

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see anything but we were some friend's

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house about 35 miles north of Phoenix we

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were having dinner and then we're gonna

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look through the telescope at the help

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comment and so a lot of people were

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doing that that evening so this is

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probably why there's so many people who

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made reports but I was not one of them

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but I was very captivated by the media

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coverage you know that night and for

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many months or years really after there

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was just so much coverage of it and I

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thought to myself you know there must be

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something to this and so I started

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watching you know your typical UFO shows

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on cable you know UFO FILES and other

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things and didn't really seriously

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pursue it but it it had my attention and

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then in 2010 I decided well I'm gonna

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read a book I just happened to cross the

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book on the day after Roswell written by

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Corso and burns I read that thing and

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you know no offense to anyone but at the

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time I thought you know this is just not

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entirely credible to me and I almost

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decided to bag the whole thing

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and I thought well you know you should

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read more than just one book to see and

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then the next book I read was Linda

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Cain's book UFOs you know pilots

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generals and public officials go on the

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record and that one blew me away I mean

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it was written you know by a

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professional investigative journalist

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and the cases she selected were you know

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excellent and lots of you know case data

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and I thought okay now this is some

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credible stuff so I quickly learned a

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lesson that ufology kind of have wheat

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and you have chaff and you've got to

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have the ability to you know identify

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those and then I followed those up I had

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the good fortune of stumbling across

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Richard Dolan's two volumes of UFOs in

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the national security state I think is

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what they're called and I thought those

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were fantastic because his style of

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writing you know as an act academic you

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know came across and he was profiling I

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think mostly like Blue Book cases and it

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was just kind of like case after case

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and I you know these people were having

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these experiences and how could

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thousands of people you know have these

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experiences and they're not be something

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to us so at that point I was hooked I

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was convinced that there's something to

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this and so you know I consumed

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everything I could on UFOs every book

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documentary whatever and then I got to a

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point where I'm not saying I knew it all

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but you know I felt like well you know

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kind of have all this knowledge what I'm

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gonna do with it and I'm just the kind

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of person that you know I got a play I

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got to engage I got a you know I can't

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just sit there and watch I've got to get

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my hands dirty and so I look for an

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opportunity to kind of interject myself

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into ufology instead of just being a

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consumer I wanted to you know

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participate and I looked around and

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since I had I've been a government

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employee for twenty years and been in

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the corporate sector before and I knew I

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could thrive and function well in a

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large organization and of course my

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attention had been drawn to MUFON you

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know an organized effort to you know

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accomplish something in ufology so I

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joined and then for about three years I

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was just a member and then I decided

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yeah you know I'd be interested in

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becoming an investigator and I'm about

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three years away from retirement

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at that time and I thought well I'm

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gonna wait till I retire but I had

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attended a MUFON meeting and Jim Mann

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had talked to me and he he convinced me

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go ahead and do it now and you know we

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won't overload you because I was worried

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about you know family and work and all

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that and I didn't want to get involved

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and not be able to you know do it

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justice so he said we'll be easy on you

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you know the caseload and stuff and so

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he held true to his word I'm managing

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and I've done maybe 40 45 cases and you

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know it has been the best experience of

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my life I mean the people I've met the

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things that I have learned is just

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fantastic

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see that's the thing but I am NOT a

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member of MUFON and I never really I

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didn't realize how big the caseload

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actually is for investigators and what a

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lot of people don't realize is that you

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do volunteer for these things it's not

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like investigators are getting paychecks

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like Mulder and Scully did you know I

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mean this is out of your own time your

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own pocket most of the time and a

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passion to help people who've had this

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experiences so for you to say like 40 45

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cases or whatnot that's astounding to me

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that that many cases are just in one

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area of the United States and that these

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things are happening in every state

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every country every continent all over

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the world so god that number just that

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amazes me yeah I think we have over a

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hundred thousand cases in the database

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Wow

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if you can imagine that yeah not enough

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investigators I would just say no no

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there's not but you know we do the best

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that we can and you know we you know we

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do look into every report every report

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is investigated and you know there's

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or sit there special circumstances you

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know it can go longer but the ideas you

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know keep these things moving and you

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know really respond to people because if

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somebody has had an experience you know

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it's a it's mostly a traumatic thing at

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least a you know emotionally impacting

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thing and you want to you know you want

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to address that for people you want to

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help them you know you may not be able

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to identify what it was or what it was

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not but in the end you know they've got

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it off their chest somebody listened to

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them they weren't being judgmental and

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you know the it makes them feel good

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that hey you know I my my experiences

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has gone into the historical record

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forever and it is it's it's a closure

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for a lot of people - I mean if I spent

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2 years going around the country

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interviewing people about their

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experiences everything from lights in

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the sky which which we should put we

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should tell people - I mean just seeing

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lights in the sky can be a very very

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powerful thing for some people it you

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know it might seem mundane but for

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someone else it might be paradigm

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shifting and you know I I spoke people

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up - claiming abduction experiences or

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Close Encounters so a lot of the time

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just telling it to someone can be enough

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for them and if that's what we can do

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then then you know besides finding an

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answer to it then I think that's a good

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thing for sure as investigators well I

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have to ask you among all of those

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investigations you've done are there any

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cases you're willing to share with us or

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can share with us that really stood out

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to you there's a couple um let's just

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say I've done say 40 some cases out of

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those 40 some I think four or five about

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10% ended up being a true unknown and I

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guess you could say we would call that a

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genuine UFO I mean it's unknown I wasn't

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there I didn't see it so I can't say

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what it was or no one can prove what it

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what they are yet right but a true

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unknown and it's a pretty rigorous

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investigation and and I think the 10%

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shows you that

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investigative process does eliminate a

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lot of misidentifications I think out of

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all those cases maybe I had one that was

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a hoax and it wasn't like an outright

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hoax it was more like they probably knew

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what it was and that it wasn't a UFO but

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they wanted to make the reporting like

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kind of a thing but that's a very very

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low percentage of the cases most of them

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are misidentifications but others are

439
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not so what one of the ones that comes

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to my mind was kind of interesting and

441
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again these are all going to kind of

442
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sound bizarre and I'm not just focusing

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on you know the ultimate outcome but you

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know again the process is pretty

445
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interesting and you can just see kind of

446
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how weird it is and it's a difficult

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thing to get your head around but it can

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be done so the first case um comes to my

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mind is a happening Green Valley Arizona

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which is kind of outside of Tucson and

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there was a couple who were driving home

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when the evening it was about 8:00 in

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the evening and they were going from

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Dairy Queen to their house and it's an

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area where there's some subdivisions but

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they're adjacent to just open desert and

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you know if you live here then here you

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can't you you know can kind of get your

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head around what that looks like and so

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it's pitch black out in the desert and

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so they were driving along a road that

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kind of like on the left side were

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subdivisions on the right was this open

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desert and they saw light in the

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distance and you know there's air

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traffic around there and stuff so they

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kind of Alan you know it's probably an

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airplane but it's bright enough that it

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caught their attention and then it began

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to get closer and closer and closer to

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where they estimated maybe it was like

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five miles out and looking at it became

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clear that it was no airplane and in

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fact what it looked like to them was a

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vertical pencil maybe a hundred feet

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tall and the bottom portion of it was

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red top portion was like yellow they

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they said it kind of reminded him like a

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light saber you know I had this light

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emanating from it but it didn't cast you

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know light shadows and things like that

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and so they pulled the car over and

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we're looking at it and then all of a

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sudden in the blink of an eye

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it jumped

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about a mile away from them where they

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got a pretty good look at it and then in

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the next instance it jumped and it was

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right over their car and so they were

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looking through the windshield at this

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thing and they could see you know the

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bottom portion but it was so tall that

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you know out the windshield the roof of

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the car blocked the view from you know

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from the rest of it and it stayed there

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they were too shocked both of them a

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husband and wife and their you know

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these are highly educated people

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master's degrees you know seem to be

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very credible people and they were just

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floored by it and they just sat there

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stunned and then the thing just blinked

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out and so then they headed home and

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they talked about it and you know they

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just couldn't you know come up with any

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explanation they went through the whole

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airplane balloon was it a cell tower was

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it power lines was it blah blah blah and

509
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you know in the investigative process we

510
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kind of do the same thing you find out

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you know I contacted the military bases

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nearby the Sheriff's Department you know

513
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the local newspapers and you know you

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check for reports either in a MUFON or

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new for or API and all these things and

516
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could find you know nothing and so in

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the end you know I had to call it an

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unknown because there just there was no

519
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conventional explanation that that would

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explain that so I thought that was kind

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of a cool one and then we had another

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one that was a couple that hiked down in

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the Grand Canyon and you know for people

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that don't know it's a pretty good hike

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down in there and then you know it's

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like 10 or 12 miles or something -

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there's a ranch oh you have I never have

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see so it's amazing yeah I I heard this

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is beautiful but down there there's you

530
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know it's fairly remote there's some

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cabins in a lodge but you know no roads

532
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or anything lights and all that and it's

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fairly primitive and they were they were

534
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walking down a trail and it was it was

535
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dark already but you could see you know

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the canyon walls and then the sky above

537
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it and a little bit of moonlight and

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that kind of thing and they saw a couple

539
00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:02,470
lights that were dancing around up there

540
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:05,370
you know clearly above the canyon wall

541
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:07,650
and they descended down to below the

542
00:23:11,690 --> 00:23:09,930
canyon wall and then they were zipping

543
00:23:13,850 --> 00:23:11,700
back and forth in the canyon and this

544
00:23:15,980 --> 00:23:13,860
was probably you know a quarter-mile

545
00:23:17,450 --> 00:23:15,990
away from them and they were just

546
00:23:19,670 --> 00:23:17,460
fascinated by this thing and they were

547
00:23:22,010 --> 00:23:19,680
watching and watching eventually they

548
00:23:25,310 --> 00:23:22,020
flew off back over the top of the canyon

549
00:23:27,049 --> 00:23:25,320
wall and were gone and so you know one

550
00:23:28,970 --> 00:23:27,059
of the things I checked was you know

551
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:28,980
with the Rangers hey do you guys allow

552
00:23:33,230 --> 00:23:30,450
drones down there and it's like

553
00:23:35,030 --> 00:23:33,240
absolutely not that's against the law

554
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,040
what could there have been like a media

555
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:37,200
company filming and have a license to do

556
00:23:41,570 --> 00:23:38,850
and stuff they said no no way

557
00:23:43,220 --> 00:23:41,580
you know clearly wasn't an airplane or

558
00:23:45,049 --> 00:23:43,230
helicopter you would hear them and they

559
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:45,059
certainly wouldn't be flying you know

560
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:48,240
below the canyon walls and then of

561
00:23:52,250 --> 00:23:49,650
course you know I was saying you know

562
00:23:54,110 --> 00:23:52,260
the only reasonable explanation would be

563
00:23:56,990 --> 00:23:54,120
a drone but I could not find any

564
00:23:59,150 --> 00:23:57,000
evidence of that you know I have a hard

565
00:24:02,000 --> 00:23:59,160
time imagining you know a couple guys

566
00:24:04,250 --> 00:24:02,010
would backpack drones down in there

567
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:04,260
twelve miles or whatever it is and just

568
00:24:08,510 --> 00:24:06,210
fly them around in the dark I mean it's

569
00:24:10,430 --> 00:24:08,520
rough terrain you could easily lose your

570
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:10,440
drone I mean I just didn't see that

571
00:24:15,169 --> 00:24:13,170
being being a possibility or a likely

572
00:24:17,090 --> 00:24:15,179
one and so that ended up being an

573
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:17,100
unknown and you know who knows what it

574
00:24:23,660 --> 00:24:21,410
was yeah see I mean that true unknown if

575
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:23,670
99% of these things can be explained

576
00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:26,730
it's that it's that true unknown that 1%

577
00:24:31,310 --> 00:24:28,980
that keeps us going I think yeah

578
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:31,320
absolutely it is it's fascinating

579
00:24:35,660 --> 00:24:34,170
those sounded great man thank you for

580
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:35,670
sharing those with us I know a lot of

581
00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:39,450
MUFON cases are confidential but no I

582
00:24:44,810 --> 00:24:41,130
really appreciate you bringing those

583
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:44,820
forward I did want to sort of circle

584
00:24:49,010 --> 00:24:46,290
around to some really interesting

585
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:49,020
articles that I also came across of

586
00:24:55,220 --> 00:24:52,170
yours over at rogue planet oh yeah yeah

587
00:24:56,750 --> 00:24:55,230
so you recently started writing for

588
00:25:00,110 --> 00:24:56,760
rogue planet maybe what like a year ago

589
00:25:02,750 --> 00:25:00,120
or so yeah six months or so yeah okay

590
00:25:04,340 --> 00:25:02,760
cuz fascinating yeah yeah I was so

591
00:25:06,740 --> 00:25:04,350
excited when I first saw your first

592
00:25:09,950 --> 00:25:06,750
article pop up over there if anyone's

593
00:25:11,570 --> 00:25:09,960
interested just go to rogue planet TV we

594
00:25:12,980 --> 00:25:11,580
talk about all different weird stuff

595
00:25:16,210 --> 00:25:12,990
over there but we've got our our

596
00:25:18,430 --> 00:25:16,220
resident MUFON field investigator

597
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:18,440
over there too so the first one that

598
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:20,330
really caught my attention you know we

599
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:23,690
had the recent passing unfortunately of

600
00:25:29,470 --> 00:25:27,530
Senator John McCain and a lot of people

601
00:25:32,940 --> 00:25:29,480
may not have known this but he actually

602
00:25:36,039 --> 00:25:32,950
has a connection to a very well known

603
00:25:38,620 --> 00:25:36,049
UFO event the Rendlesham forest incident

604
00:25:41,740 --> 00:25:38,630
in you you did a good write-up about

605
00:25:44,529 --> 00:25:41,750
this connection so I'd love maybe if you

606
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:44,539
could briefly run us through how the

607
00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:48,559
hell was Senator John connected to a UFO

608
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:49,130
event

609
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:51,289
yeah let's fascinated by that too and

610
00:25:57,070 --> 00:25:54,650
obviously as a resident of Arizona I you

611
00:25:59,740 --> 00:25:57,080
know I had a lot of occasion to hear

612
00:26:03,460 --> 00:25:59,750
John McCain and and to see him and and

613
00:26:05,289 --> 00:26:03,470
you know he was he's maybe I didn't

614
00:26:08,409 --> 00:26:05,299
always agree with his politics and stuff

615
00:26:10,659 --> 00:26:08,419
but you know he definitely is is a you

616
00:26:12,850 --> 00:26:10,669
know an interesting guy he he was you

617
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:12,860
know very intelligent and he he

618
00:26:17,710 --> 00:26:14,720
basically I mean honestly he just loved

619
00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:17,720
a good fight and what happened in this

620
00:26:22,450 --> 00:26:20,000
case was many people are familiar with

621
00:26:26,169 --> 00:26:22,460
the Rendlesham case and in in that

622
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:26,179
incident two soldiers Jim Penniston and

623
00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:28,970
John Burroughs came in contact with a

624
00:26:34,690 --> 00:26:32,110
UAP you know an unidentified aerial

625
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:34,700
phenomena something that landed on the

626
00:26:41,919 --> 00:26:38,210
ground and they were in very close

627
00:26:44,850 --> 00:26:41,929
proximity to it without rehashing the

628
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:44,860
whole case you know fast forward John

629
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:48,559
developed some health issues and of

630
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:51,200
course as a former soldier you know he

631
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:53,360
would receive treatment through the VA

632
00:27:00,220 --> 00:26:56,890
and when he was having this health issue

633
00:27:03,460 --> 00:27:00,230
the VA doctors requested that he get his

634
00:27:05,140 --> 00:27:03,470
medical records well when he went to do

635
00:27:07,870 --> 00:27:05,150
that he was told you can't have him

636
00:27:10,830 --> 00:27:07,880
because they're classified and it's like

637
00:27:14,169 --> 00:27:10,840
what whose medical records are

638
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:14,179
classified it was very weird and so he

639
00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:16,130
researched and found it was related to

640
00:27:22,270 --> 00:27:18,289
the fact that he was part of that

641
00:27:24,220 --> 00:27:22,280
Rendlesham case and so he was desperate

642
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:24,230
to get those records because his his

643
00:27:27,820 --> 00:27:26,000
health issue was life-threatening and

644
00:27:29,740 --> 00:27:27,830
the doctors needed his case history to

645
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:29,750
find out what was going on

646
00:27:36,550 --> 00:27:33,440
and so he kind of exhausted all of his

647
00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:36,560
resources and you know ability to get

648
00:27:40,750 --> 00:27:38,510
the records and you know the military

649
00:27:42,460 --> 00:27:40,760
just wasn't gonna budge and so as a

650
00:27:44,290 --> 00:27:42,470
resident of Arizona at the time he

651
00:27:46,690 --> 00:27:44,300
decided one time and see what John

652
00:27:48,730 --> 00:27:46,700
McCain can do again as I mentioned John

653
00:27:50,590 --> 00:27:48,740
McCain he's always up for a good fight

654
00:27:52,750 --> 00:27:50,600
especially if you know there's an

655
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:52,760
underdog or or he thinks you know

656
00:27:57,100 --> 00:27:55,490
there's some injustice being done you

657
00:27:59,230 --> 00:27:57,110
know that's the kind of thing that he he

658
00:28:01,180 --> 00:27:59,240
just lived to tangle with so especially

659
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:01,190
as a former veteran I would assume oh

660
00:28:07,180 --> 00:28:04,850
yeah yeah yo oh absolutely so he went to

661
00:28:10,180 --> 00:28:07,190
bat for John and ultimately he was able

662
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:10,190
to get those records released John was

663
00:28:15,490 --> 00:28:12,410
able to provide those to his doctors he

664
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:15,500
received that medical treatment and of

665
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:17,210
course he's you know with us today

666
00:28:21,550 --> 00:28:19,730
because of it and really that's the

667
00:28:25,270 --> 00:28:21,560
connection of John McCain not

668
00:28:27,460 --> 00:28:25,280
necessarily directly a UFO issue for him

669
00:28:31,060 --> 00:28:27,470
he was helping a you know a fellow

670
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:31,070
soldier and he he was trying to right a

671
00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:33,170
wrong that he felt had been perpetrated

672
00:28:37,060 --> 00:28:34,910
against him and you know he threw his

673
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,070
weight around and he got it done so when

674
00:28:41,470 --> 00:28:39,200
when John had died you know I was really

675
00:28:43,060 --> 00:28:41,480
kind of moved by that and I thought you

676
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:43,070
know this is this is just something I

677
00:28:47,410 --> 00:28:44,570
got to share with people because I'm

678
00:28:49,150 --> 00:28:47,420
certain it's a side to him that no one

679
00:28:51,370 --> 00:28:49,160
knew about and so for people in ufology

680
00:28:54,670 --> 00:28:51,380
you know there's a connection even to

681
00:28:56,620 --> 00:28:54,680
John McCain absolutely and you know in

682
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:56,630
terms of the Rendlesham forest incident

683
00:29:03,690 --> 00:29:00,320
and john burroughs involvement this is

684
00:29:07,210 --> 00:29:03,700
one of the first documented cases where

685
00:29:09,250 --> 00:29:07,220
Veteran Affairs admitted that someone's

686
00:29:13,030 --> 00:29:09,260
health issues were directly connected to

687
00:29:16,330 --> 00:29:13,040
a UFO event that is a huge step for you

688
00:29:19,690 --> 00:29:16,340
follow G in my opinion oh absolutely and

689
00:29:23,380 --> 00:29:19,700
I think even in fact with the project

690
00:29:27,340 --> 00:29:23,390
condign that the Ministry of Defense had

691
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:27,350
put together at they buried in like the

692
00:29:34,150 --> 00:29:30,170
600 pages was a matrix or a chart that

693
00:29:36,220 --> 00:29:34,160
showed the types of injuries that people

694
00:29:40,060 --> 00:29:36,230
sustained when exposed to certain types

695
00:29:41,659 --> 00:29:40,070
of UAP now that blew my mind you mean

696
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:41,669
there is enough

697
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:43,919
encounters that they're aware of that

698
00:29:49,219 --> 00:29:46,799
affected you know people in a medical

699
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:49,229
way that they could create a matrix or a

700
00:29:53,599 --> 00:29:51,450
chart and associate you know injuries

701
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:53,609
with a type of UFO I mean that's a

702
00:29:58,519 --> 00:29:55,679
mind-blower and of course that likely

703
00:30:01,219 --> 00:29:58,529
was speaking of John and as part of

704
00:30:04,430 --> 00:30:01,229
those statistics machine there's some

705
00:30:06,469 --> 00:30:04,440
really interesting articles I came

706
00:30:08,509 --> 00:30:06,479
across as well over at rogue planet from

707
00:30:10,849 --> 00:30:08,519
you one of them that really caught my

708
00:30:14,060 --> 00:30:10,859
attention to is something I came across

709
00:30:16,999 --> 00:30:14,070
a lot in my own UFO research and that's

710
00:30:19,729 --> 00:30:17,009
an article you titled why the silence

711
00:30:22,099 --> 00:30:19,739
during a UFO sighting so could you maybe

712
00:30:24,529 --> 00:30:22,109
run us through what prompted this

713
00:30:27,049 --> 00:30:24,539
article and just exactly what you came

714
00:30:29,149 --> 00:30:27,059
up with in terms of theories of why so

715
00:30:31,149 --> 00:30:29,159
many people report complete silence

716
00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:31,159
during a UFO sighting I know I

717
00:30:35,719 --> 00:30:33,809
personally had this happen to me too

718
00:30:39,589 --> 00:30:35,729
during my event so I'd love to hear what

719
00:30:41,509 --> 00:30:39,599
you got on this one that is very cool I

720
00:30:44,359 --> 00:30:41,519
didn't know that you had experienced it

721
00:30:47,899 --> 00:30:44,369
yourself yeah yeah that's a that's

722
00:30:50,319 --> 00:30:47,909
amazing and to me so the way this

723
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:50,329
happened is you know in some of my

724
00:30:55,249 --> 00:30:53,279
investigations other individuals had

725
00:30:57,409 --> 00:30:55,259
that experience as well and it became

726
00:31:01,099 --> 00:30:57,419
part of my standard questions when

727
00:31:02,989 --> 00:31:01,109
interviewing a reporting person and you

728
00:31:05,419 --> 00:31:02,999
know I talked I asked them you know did

729
00:31:08,269 --> 00:31:05,429
you notice you know any unusual noises

730
00:31:10,399 --> 00:31:08,279
or odors and you know kind of the other

731
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:10,409
senses that you don't necessarily think

732
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:13,200
of when you're you see a UFO y'all focus

733
00:31:19,219 --> 00:31:15,570
on the visual stuff right but there's

734
00:31:23,329 --> 00:31:19,229
these peripheral things that to me that

735
00:31:25,489 --> 00:31:23,339
is a form of physical evidence and so I

736
00:31:27,829 --> 00:31:25,499
was really fascinated by that what is it

737
00:31:30,589 --> 00:31:27,839
that's happening and it's happened it

738
00:31:33,529 --> 00:31:30,599
happens frequently in these cases and

739
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:33,539
you know so I you know I wanted to know

740
00:31:39,459 --> 00:31:36,450
is is you know how how common is this

741
00:31:41,810 --> 00:31:39,469
and is is there an explanation for it

742
00:31:44,180 --> 00:31:41,820
and so you know I kind of just

743
00:31:46,009 --> 00:31:44,190
Illustrated a few things in the article

744
00:31:47,569 --> 00:31:46,019
like you know have you ever been walking

745
00:31:48,949 --> 00:31:47,579
through the woods you know most of us

746
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:48,959
have at some point you know there's

747
00:31:53,659 --> 00:31:51,450
leaves rustling there's crickets and

748
00:31:55,220 --> 00:31:53,669
birds and you know think things going on

749
00:31:56,090 --> 00:31:55,230
all around you and

750
00:31:58,580 --> 00:31:56,100
I don't know if you've had the

751
00:32:01,010 --> 00:31:58,590
experience where they just suddenly stop

752
00:32:02,390 --> 00:32:01,020
and go quiet and you know it could be

753
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:02,400
like you know maybe there's a predator

754
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:03,840
out there and all the little critters

755
00:32:07,850 --> 00:32:05,970
know Lou you know I better be quiet or

756
00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:07,860
I'm gonna be somebody's lunch maybe that

757
00:32:13,159 --> 00:32:10,710
happens or or you know when it snows a

758
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:13,169
real heavy snow and you're out of doors

759
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:16,770
and it just has that dampening effect on

760
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:19,410
the environment so you know there are

761
00:32:26,930 --> 00:32:22,890
some very real properties of physics

762
00:32:28,820 --> 00:32:26,940
that explain how in some cases the

763
00:32:31,730 --> 00:32:28,830
noises stop okay

764
00:32:34,700 --> 00:32:31,740
however in with a UFO obviously the

765
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:34,710
presence of that UFO is is a factor

766
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:37,200
right and so you know how could you

767
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:40,080
explain this is this does let's say

768
00:32:45,580 --> 00:32:43,200
their propulsion system or something

769
00:32:49,159 --> 00:32:45,590
about them do they create some kind of

770
00:32:50,780 --> 00:32:49,169
field that has an impact physically on

771
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:50,790
them the environment maybe there's a

772
00:32:56,180 --> 00:32:53,490
bubble you know plasma or something or

773
00:32:59,840 --> 00:32:56,190
you know whatever around them that

774
00:33:01,610 --> 00:32:59,850
blocks out you know sound waves or you

775
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:01,620
know is there something about their the

776
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:04,410
the craft that maybe has a physical

777
00:33:10,669 --> 00:33:07,290
effect on us you know it interrupts what

778
00:33:12,140 --> 00:33:10,679
our ears can do it can can hear or maybe

779
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:12,150
it's you know affecting the environment

780
00:33:16,730 --> 00:33:14,850
sound waves can't travel through it or I

781
00:33:19,820 --> 00:33:16,740
don't know you know I don't know what

782
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:19,830
the the reason is however to me it looks

783
00:33:25,159 --> 00:33:22,650
very much like physical evidence there

784
00:33:27,950 --> 00:33:25,169
is making an impact on our environment

785
00:33:31,220 --> 00:33:27,960
that are subject to our rules of physics

786
00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:31,230
and and so to me that would be a very

787
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:33,809
interesting thing to study to try and

788
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:37,410
recreate and it might help zero in on

789
00:33:43,159 --> 00:33:40,410
what kind of technology is being used by

790
00:33:46,370 --> 00:33:43,169
these crafts to produce that kind of an

791
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:46,380
effect so I I just you know just one of

792
00:33:50,539 --> 00:33:48,450
the things I kind of fascinated about so

793
00:33:52,610 --> 00:33:50,549
I decided I'll write an article put it

794
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:52,620
out there and I got a lot of comments

795
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,290
back I mean some really great theories

796
00:33:59,659 --> 00:33:57,600
that people put forth and it's obvious

797
00:34:01,730 --> 00:33:59,669
many people are aware of this and have

798
00:34:03,620 --> 00:34:01,740
given it some thought so that was

799
00:34:05,270 --> 00:34:03,630
probably one of my most fun articles in

800
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:05,280
terms of the response that I got back

801
00:34:09,980 --> 00:34:07,410
because I'm sure everyone has their own

802
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:09,990
on it for me personally like I

803
00:34:16,250 --> 00:34:13,169
attributed it to my own you know fear

804
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:16,260
and or adrenaline or just you know when

805
00:34:20,990 --> 00:34:18,960
something so immediate happens and you

806
00:34:23,180 --> 00:34:21,000
feel like things go in slow motion

807
00:34:26,030 --> 00:34:23,190
you know that's yes that's kind of what

808
00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:26,040
I attributed my sense is failing me at

809
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:28,740
the time too but when you look at these

810
00:34:35,150 --> 00:34:31,919
external forces you know that maybe the

811
00:34:37,460 --> 00:34:35,160
craft itself or technology or occupants

812
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:37,470
of said technology are involved with

813
00:34:43,130 --> 00:34:40,320
that that's when it's really fascinating

814
00:34:44,930 --> 00:34:43,140
so that's cool that you got such a big

815
00:34:47,540 --> 00:34:44,940
reaction to that one because I'd

816
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:47,550
honestly never seen anyone else write

817
00:34:52,340 --> 00:34:49,650
about that there's been some books

818
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:52,350
written on you know paranormal stuff on

819
00:34:59,000 --> 00:34:55,770
you know odors and you know sound in

820
00:34:59,870 --> 00:34:59,010
this mess the UFOs I'm gonna tell you

821
00:35:02,030 --> 00:34:59,880
man you're probably one of the

822
00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:02,040
pioneering people writing about that so

823
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:03,720
no that's interesting yeah I don't know

824
00:35:08,270 --> 00:35:05,730
it just it really caught my attention so

825
00:35:10,820 --> 00:35:08,280
I just had to had to say something about

826
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:10,830
it oh well I'm sure your research on

827
00:35:16,910 --> 00:35:14,370
that is only begun but there's another

828
00:35:20,450 --> 00:35:16,920
case that has been researched to hell

829
00:35:24,980 --> 00:35:20,460
and back and that is the Roswell UFO

830
00:35:27,250 --> 00:35:24,990
incident yes so we've got a reboot of

831
00:35:30,770 --> 00:35:27,260
the Roswell TV show coming back very

832
00:35:34,130 --> 00:35:30,780
soon this case is known all over the

833
00:35:36,380 --> 00:35:34,140
world it's a part of pop culture and you

834
00:35:39,620 --> 00:35:36,390
recently had the opportunity to go to

835
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:39,630
Roswell for the Roswell UFO festival

836
00:35:46,220 --> 00:35:42,480
with Jason McClellan our mutual rogue

837
00:35:48,770 --> 00:35:46,230
planet Eire so how was that experience

838
00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:48,780
I recently made a trip to Roswell for

839
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:54,510
reasons that are still classified how

840
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,210
was that experience and I want to know

841
00:36:01,280 --> 00:35:59,760
what your personal stance on the Roswell

842
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:01,290
case is I'm putting you on the spot

843
00:36:07,010 --> 00:36:03,570
again my friend okay yeah that's fair

844
00:36:09,170 --> 00:36:07,020
enough it was an absolute ball we had a

845
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:09,180
great time you know I've attended

846
00:36:14,930 --> 00:36:12,960
several UFO conferences of course and

847
00:36:17,870 --> 00:36:14,940
they're you know they're fairly academic

848
00:36:19,730 --> 00:36:17,880
and you know and it's more about you

849
00:36:20,780 --> 00:36:19,740
know the information and all that stuff

850
00:36:23,390 --> 00:36:20,790
which is great

851
00:36:26,510 --> 00:36:23,400
of it not a criticism of it at all love

852
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:26,520
it but I really never got involved in in

853
00:36:32,510 --> 00:36:28,560
really what I'd say is kind of the pop

854
00:36:34,490 --> 00:36:32,520
culture side of ufology and and the fact

855
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:34,500
is that that Roswell festival it's just

856
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:37,050
flat fun I mean people are dressed up

857
00:36:41,810 --> 00:36:39,810
there's booths everywhere there's bands

858
00:36:44,990 --> 00:36:41,820
and they're all dressed up like aliens

859
00:36:46,730 --> 00:36:45,000
and you know every every shop in that

860
00:36:49,370 --> 00:36:46,740
town I mean they shut down like eight

861
00:36:51,590 --> 00:36:49,380
square blocks of the of the downtown and

862
00:36:53,930 --> 00:36:51,600
every business had stuff in their

863
00:36:56,780 --> 00:36:53,940
windows and people coming in and out and

864
00:36:59,890 --> 00:36:56,790
you know they had food trucks and stages

865
00:37:02,990 --> 00:36:59,900
and just all of this stuff and it was so

866
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:03,000
fun because everybody there was having

867
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:06,480
fun about this topic and enjoying it you

868
00:37:09,890 --> 00:37:07,440
know it was something I had never

869
00:37:12,290 --> 00:37:09,900
experienced I just I got such a kick out

870
00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:12,300
of it it was a total ball now as far as

871
00:37:18,110 --> 00:37:16,200
my view of the case I mean as you

872
00:37:21,020 --> 00:37:18,120
mentioned it it's it's been talked about

873
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:21,030
more than any other case probably and I

874
00:37:26,450 --> 00:37:24,000
think my ideas changed as I became an

875
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:26,460
investigator a little bit on it but I

876
00:37:33,770 --> 00:37:30,000
will say this where there is smoke there

877
00:37:37,010 --> 00:37:33,780
is fire okay and that's proven true in

878
00:37:40,130 --> 00:37:37,020
life in many areas of life and even in

879
00:37:41,870 --> 00:37:40,140
my investigations with MUFON I mean

880
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:41,880
there is something to that case there's

881
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:44,370
no doubt about it now ultimately what it

882
00:37:51,380 --> 00:37:47,520
is we we may never know or we may find

883
00:37:53,900 --> 00:37:51,390
you know a revelation an admission or

884
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:53,910
something on the part of the government

885
00:37:58,990 --> 00:37:56,610
in the years to come that you know

886
00:38:01,970 --> 00:37:59,000
really reveals what what happened but

887
00:38:05,090 --> 00:38:01,980
you you just can't have hundreds of

888
00:38:07,790 --> 00:38:05,100
people involved in something you know

889
00:38:10,010 --> 00:38:07,800
just making it all up now you know

890
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:10,020
there's bits and pieces and you know how

891
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:11,970
a story can change and all those things

892
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:14,010
over time and from person to person but

893
00:38:19,070 --> 00:38:16,290
to me at its core there had to be

894
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:19,080
something quite extraordinary and I will

895
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:22,050
always think this that there is no way

896
00:38:28,220 --> 00:38:25,290
that the military released a press

897
00:38:31,250 --> 00:38:28,230
release saying we caught a flying disc

898
00:38:34,220 --> 00:38:31,260
by accident that is not going to happen

899
00:38:36,620 --> 00:38:34,230
so then they had to go back

900
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:36,630
I can undo what they did so you know why

901
00:38:40,430 --> 00:38:39,090
I don't know but like I said I think

902
00:38:43,609 --> 00:38:40,440
where there's smoke there's fire there's

903
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:43,619
something to that case and you know

904
00:38:47,780 --> 00:38:45,090
there's been some really good work of

905
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:47,790
course Stanton Friedman and Don Schmidt

906
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:51,090
and Tom Kerry and and others that you

907
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:53,010
know I've really dug into this thing and

908
00:38:59,120 --> 00:38:56,490
there is a lot of detail a lot of detail

909
00:39:01,130 --> 00:38:59,130
you just have to look for it so what you

910
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:01,140
hear on TV and kind of just bandied

911
00:39:05,540 --> 00:39:02,850
about social media and things like that

912
00:39:07,580 --> 00:39:05,550
it's just really the tip of the iceberg

913
00:39:10,010 --> 00:39:07,590
and there's a ton of facts and data

914
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:10,020
behind that so what it is I don't know

915
00:39:16,609 --> 00:39:12,930
but I think there is something to that

916
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:16,619
case omits the the fun stuff at the

917
00:39:21,890 --> 00:39:19,050
festivals and even when you go to the

918
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:21,900
the International UFO Museum in Roswell

919
00:39:26,770 --> 00:39:23,970
you know it's a little cheesy there's

920
00:39:29,210 --> 00:39:26,780
some yeah a lot of sci-fi pop culture

921
00:39:31,970 --> 00:39:29,220
sort of stuff around there but then you

922
00:39:35,390 --> 00:39:31,980
G it is it's kitschy and it's fun and

923
00:39:38,690 --> 00:39:35,400
that is I I'm learning the more I get

924
00:39:41,210 --> 00:39:38,700
involved in the UFO field is - you have

925
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:41,220
to have fun or you are going to be

926
00:39:47,540 --> 00:39:43,410
depressed as all hell with all that

927
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,550
stuff but amidst all of that kitsch you

928
00:39:53,300 --> 00:39:49,680
look at some of these affidavits that

929
00:39:55,730 --> 00:39:53,310
they have at museum from people involved

930
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:55,740
you know there was one I recently came

931
00:40:02,359 --> 00:39:59,520
across from one of the like people that

932
00:40:05,090 --> 00:40:02,369
was on the the plane that went from

933
00:40:09,020 --> 00:40:05,100
Roswell to wright-patterson with the

934
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:09,030
wreckage and that was really one for me

935
00:40:15,890 --> 00:40:12,930
where I might a holy [\h__\h] man like yes

936
00:40:19,930 --> 00:40:15,900
no matter what that wreckage was what

937
00:40:23,900 --> 00:40:19,940
happened the cover-up was so deep and so

938
00:40:27,740 --> 00:40:23,910
big that like yeah whatever happened it

939
00:40:30,410 --> 00:40:27,750
was clearly top top top top secret even

940
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:30,420
if it was from here it was something

941
00:40:34,940 --> 00:40:33,359
yeah super top secret and I still don't

942
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,950
know where I lay on the whole thing but

943
00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:36,960
something clearly important happened

944
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:39,510
there enough to silence hundreds of

945
00:40:45,500 --> 00:40:42,690
people and that it remains a mystery up

946
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:45,510
until today says a lot as well yeah I

947
00:40:50,060 --> 00:40:47,850
totally agree well here's a

948
00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:50,070
another you know sort of pop-culture

949
00:40:55,310 --> 00:40:51,960
esque thing that's going to be making

950
00:40:58,760 --> 00:40:55,320
its way to the mainstream very soon and

951
00:41:01,610 --> 00:40:58,770
that is Project Blue Book now I am

952
00:41:05,690 --> 00:41:01,620
looking right now at your image and you

953
00:41:08,060 --> 00:41:05,700
have a t-shirt a shameless plug for the

954
00:41:10,580 --> 00:41:08,070
the Hynek t-shirt over at the somewhere

955
00:41:13,370 --> 00:41:10,590
in the sky store if anyone's interesting

956
00:41:15,590 --> 00:41:13,380
it's and I highly recommend it

957
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:15,600
oh well thank you man it's a fun one for

958
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:19,650
sure but I did that because I I respect

959
00:41:24,730 --> 00:41:21,570
the work of jail and Hynek probably more

960
00:41:28,610 --> 00:41:24,740
than any UFO researcher out there and

961
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:28,620
we're about to get a fresh take and look

962
00:41:33,530 --> 00:41:31,050
at him in the upcoming History Channel

963
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:33,540
show Project Blue Book so I want to know

964
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:36,570
what do you think of this show a lot

965
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:38,370
there's a lot of contention before this

966
00:41:43,700 --> 00:41:41,040
thing is even being released to the

967
00:41:46,190 --> 00:41:43,710
public about how accurate it's gonna be

968
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:46,200
so what do you think about a fictional

969
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:50,370
version of Acts actual events coming to

970
00:41:54,740 --> 00:41:52,770
the the mainstream public here soon with

971
00:41:57,050 --> 00:41:54,750
Project Blue Book I actually had the

972
00:42:00,320 --> 00:41:57,060
privilege of attending a screening here

973
00:42:02,930 --> 00:42:00,330
in Phoenix of it earlier this month and

974
00:42:05,570 --> 00:42:02,940
they played basically the first episode

975
00:42:07,310 --> 00:42:05,580
and they had the producer there and then

976
00:42:10,370 --> 00:42:07,320
they had a panel after a panel

977
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:10,380
discussion on it and I am very excited

978
00:42:16,130 --> 00:42:13,170
for it I am stoked for it for for

979
00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:16,140
several reasons one is you know it's UFO

980
00:42:21,650 --> 00:42:19,110
content anytime we can get any UFO

981
00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:21,660
content I'm there I mean I love it I

982
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:23,730
appreciate it I'm gonna see it hear it

983
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:26,370
and the fact that they're the History

984
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,650
Channel is investing in this tells you

985
00:42:32,690 --> 00:42:30,720
that there's an appetite for this out in

986
00:42:34,940 --> 00:42:32,700
the public and the more that good

987
00:42:36,380 --> 00:42:34,950
content comes out it helps spread the

988
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:36,390
message it helps people become

989
00:42:42,500 --> 00:42:39,570
acquainted it it reduces that taboo of

990
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:42,510
not being able to talk about it so from

991
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:44,610
that perspective I think is totally

992
00:42:49,070 --> 00:42:46,800
awesome the second thing is you know

993
00:42:50,540 --> 00:42:49,080
it's not a documentary you will be

994
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:50,550
disappointed if that's what you're

995
00:42:55,220 --> 00:42:52,650
expecting it's not intended to be a

996
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:55,230
documentary and it's not one what it is

997
00:42:59,870 --> 00:42:57,330
is a fictional drama and it's a

998
00:43:01,390 --> 00:42:59,880
fictional drama based on true events and

999
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:01,400
we've seen other program

1000
00:43:05,230 --> 00:43:03,290
like that and they can be very

1001
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:05,240
entertaining and good and this is meant

1002
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:06,770
to be entertainment but it's

1003
00:43:11,590 --> 00:43:08,690
entertainment on a subject that many

1004
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:11,600
people aren't interested in and so you

1005
00:43:17,020 --> 00:43:14,570
know this is being produced by Robert

1006
00:43:19,870 --> 00:43:17,030
Zemeckis he's a guy that did Back to the

1007
00:43:23,290 --> 00:43:19,880
Future movies and the the quality of

1008
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:23,300
this program is is second to none I mean

1009
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:26,090
the writing was terrific the the

1010
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:28,970
production value the the scenery you

1011
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:31,040
know it's it's it's sort of a period

1012
00:43:35,020 --> 00:43:33,530
piece because obviously this started in

1013
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:35,030
the 40s and went through the eighties

1014
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:38,930
basically it's a life of jail and Hynek

1015
00:43:43,810 --> 00:43:41,450
so it's sort of a period piece and I

1016
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:43,820
mean it's visually stunning in it it

1017
00:43:47,410 --> 00:43:45,530
almost has a feel and that I don't want

1018
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:47,420
to make the comparison you know in

1019
00:43:52,510 --> 00:43:49,610
content so much but it almost has an

1020
00:43:54,820 --> 00:43:52,520
x-files feel to it because you know the

1021
00:43:57,250 --> 00:43:54,830
premises is he is investigating these

1022
00:44:00,220 --> 00:43:57,260
Blue Book cases and they go to these you

1023
00:44:02,980 --> 00:44:00,230
know locations and meet these people and

1024
00:44:05,020 --> 00:44:02,990
all these events go on and they they hit

1025
00:44:08,020 --> 00:44:05,030
all the right notes on kind of the

1026
00:44:09,820 --> 00:44:08,030
modern youthful logical lore and you

1027
00:44:12,940 --> 00:44:09,830
know the government's involvement and

1028
00:44:15,370 --> 00:44:12,950
all that and in the casting is fantastic

1029
00:44:19,050 --> 00:44:15,380
on it one of the the main character I

1030
00:44:22,050 --> 00:44:19,060
think his name's Aidan Gillian he's from

1031
00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:22,060
what's that show I've never watched but

1032
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:23,110
[Music]

1033
00:44:30,660 --> 00:44:27,680
yeah yeah so you know they they they

1034
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:30,670
really are investing a lot in this and

1035
00:44:35,590 --> 00:44:32,810
you know I think they've done a terrific

1036
00:44:39,490 --> 00:44:35,600
job with it and you know my DVR is

1037
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:39,500
already set me to my man I did have the

1038
00:44:43,540 --> 00:44:40,850
pleasure of seeing the first six

1039
00:44:46,510 --> 00:44:43,550
episodes of the show no way I was

1040
00:44:50,860 --> 00:44:46,520
granted the golden key for that's for

1041
00:44:53,110 --> 00:44:50,870
some reason I don't know old Liege Ellis

1042
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:53,120
my 7in somewhere over there at the

1043
00:45:00,580 --> 00:44:56,690
History Channel but um I have to agree

1044
00:45:03,810 --> 00:45:00,590
with you Shane this thing is stunning

1045
00:45:07,060 --> 00:45:03,820
from everything from the costumes to the

1046
00:45:11,020 --> 00:45:07,070
special effects to the acting to the

1047
00:45:14,250 --> 00:45:11,030
writing this is television at its finest

1048
00:45:17,099 --> 00:45:14,260
and I have no qualms with saying

1049
00:45:19,050 --> 00:45:17,109
at all if you're going into this looking

1050
00:45:20,910 --> 00:45:19,060
for a documentary like you said you're

1051
00:45:23,490 --> 00:45:20,920
gonna be very disappointed this is a

1052
00:45:25,140 --> 00:45:23,500
drama it is a drama that's what I'm

1053
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:25,150
trying to tell people a lot of people

1054
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:26,530
are looking at it they're seeing this

1055
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:28,960
image of J Allen Hynek looking at an

1056
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:32,079
alien in a tube and saying that never

1057
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:33,730
happened with Hynek I can't believe

1058
00:45:39,089 --> 00:45:35,650
they're doing this and all I have to say

1059
00:45:40,740 --> 00:45:39,099
is just wait wait and see because not

1060
00:45:43,260 --> 00:45:40,750
everything is what it seems when it

1061
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:43,270
comes to this show and that's the last

1062
00:45:47,790 --> 00:45:45,520
excuse I'll give to it I'll let the show

1063
00:45:50,250 --> 00:45:47,800
stand on its own speak for itself but

1064
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:50,260
the week after this episode is airing

1065
00:45:54,300 --> 00:45:51,970
we're going to hear from the creator and

1066
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:54,310
the showrunner of Project Blue Book so

1067
00:45:59,730 --> 00:45:56,770
I'll let them tell the audience what to

1068
00:46:02,190 --> 00:45:59,740
expect but I'm with how cool I think

1069
00:46:05,940 --> 00:46:02,200
this is just going to do a great service

1070
00:46:08,010 --> 00:46:05,950
to Jael and Hynek no matter if it is

1071
00:46:10,319 --> 00:46:08,020
fictionalized or not it's going to bring

1072
00:46:12,450 --> 00:46:10,329
his life his career and the work of

1073
00:46:14,910 --> 00:46:12,460
Project Blue Book to the mainstream so

1074
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:14,920
absolutely and that that's a win-win for

1075
00:46:18,359 --> 00:46:15,730
everybody

1076
00:46:20,010 --> 00:46:18,369
yep I couldn't agree more well sorry the

1077
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:20,020
last thing I want to touch on with you

1078
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:24,160
here Shane is disclosure that big word

1079
00:46:30,210 --> 00:46:28,690
with a capital D a lot of people think

1080
00:46:32,730 --> 00:46:30,220
it's already happened a lot of people

1081
00:46:35,370 --> 00:46:32,740
think it's never gonna happen so I have

1082
00:46:37,740 --> 00:46:35,380
to ask you as a UFO investigator and

1083
00:46:40,109 --> 00:46:37,750
having been involved with this topic for

1084
00:46:43,170 --> 00:46:40,119
a while now what do you make of the

1085
00:46:46,260 --> 00:46:43,180
whole disclosure movement or what do you

1086
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:46,270
consider disclosure of the UFO

1087
00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:49,359
phenomenon that's a very big question to

1088
00:46:55,410 --> 00:46:51,730
ask it but but yeah what do you make of

1089
00:46:57,540 --> 00:46:55,420
all that disclosure yeah so that that is

1090
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:57,550
a great question and it is sort of a

1091
00:47:03,809 --> 00:47:00,640
fundamental you know part of the lore of

1092
00:47:05,730 --> 00:47:03,819
of ufology and and you know and rightly

1093
00:47:07,950 --> 00:47:05,740
so people you know are interesting I

1094
00:47:10,260 --> 00:47:07,960
mean ultimately it's a question if you

1095
00:47:13,319 --> 00:47:10,270
know does somebody know tell us so that

1096
00:47:17,460 --> 00:47:13,329
we know too but it's a little bit tricky

1097
00:47:20,730 --> 00:47:17,470
subject but in my opinion the reality of

1098
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:20,740
the UFO phenomena has already been

1099
00:47:26,460 --> 00:47:23,040
disclosed it has been disclosed a

1100
00:47:27,779 --> 00:47:26,470
million times I'm exaggerating but many

1101
00:47:30,509 --> 00:47:27,789
times throughout history

1102
00:47:32,099 --> 00:47:30,519
and and here's the thing and this is you

1103
00:47:34,919 --> 00:47:32,109
know I kind of go off on these tangents

1104
00:47:39,139 --> 00:47:34,929
a little bit and in my thinking but what

1105
00:47:41,639 --> 00:47:39,149
fascinates me is okay why is there such

1106
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:41,649
disagreement or confusion on what

1107
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:43,599
disclosure is in the first place you

1108
00:47:47,789 --> 00:47:45,609
know I think well why can't anyone agree

1109
00:47:51,899 --> 00:47:47,799
and you know what's going on well when

1110
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:51,909
you think about it not everybody views a

1111
00:47:59,879 --> 00:47:57,130
given line of evidence as proof it's so

1112
00:48:02,309 --> 00:47:59,889
so let me just say like for example

1113
00:48:07,169 --> 00:48:02,319
there have been statements in government

1114
00:48:10,229 --> 00:48:07,179
documents that do in fact talk about the

1115
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:10,239
reality of UFOs and there has been in

1116
00:48:17,039 --> 00:48:14,079
the 40s the 50 is the 60s or 70s and and

1117
00:48:20,279 --> 00:48:17,049
I'll say most recently with a tip I mean

1118
00:48:24,329 --> 00:48:20,289
to me this it has been disclosed that

1119
00:48:28,019 --> 00:48:24,339
there are objects in our sky that we can

1120
00:48:30,779 --> 00:48:28,029
identify that display attributes that

1121
00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:30,789
indicate they don't originate at the

1122
00:48:35,399 --> 00:48:32,649
hands of human beings with our current

1123
00:48:38,189 --> 00:48:35,409
technology that's not even disputable

1124
00:48:42,089 --> 00:48:38,199
anymore I don't think to me that is

1125
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:42,099
disclosure now of who they are and what

1126
00:48:46,229 --> 00:48:44,319
they want and all of that well we

1127
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:46,239
certainly don't know that know there

1128
00:48:49,679 --> 00:48:48,249
could be people that do know that and

1129
00:48:52,469 --> 00:48:49,689
they're they're keeping that to

1130
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:52,479
themselves okay but it I know I don't

1131
00:48:56,999 --> 00:48:54,130
think you can dispute the fact that

1132
00:49:00,019 --> 00:48:57,009
there's a reality to the existence of

1133
00:49:02,819 --> 00:49:00,029
these things so and it's been you know

1134
00:49:04,799 --> 00:49:02,829
disclosed in documents over and over and

1135
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:04,809
over again and again like most most

1136
00:49:11,009 --> 00:49:07,689
recently with with a tip you have the

1137
00:49:13,769 --> 00:49:11,019
director of a semi secret program to

1138
00:49:16,379 --> 00:49:13,779
study these things and coming out saying

1139
00:49:18,629 --> 00:49:16,389
yes we do it it's real we don't know

1140
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:18,639
what it is and they are producing

1141
00:49:24,329 --> 00:49:21,729
evidence such as videos and testimony by

1142
00:49:25,979 --> 00:49:24,339
radar operators and pilots and not I

1143
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:25,989
mean what more do you want

1144
00:49:29,879 --> 00:49:28,209
and so when I wrote that article that's

1145
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:29,889
kind of one of the things I approach is

1146
00:49:35,939 --> 00:49:33,249
well what will people accept as formal

1147
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:35,949
disclosure is it the President of the

1148
00:49:39,989 --> 00:49:38,559
United States has to call a press

1149
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:39,999
conference and stand there and tell

1150
00:49:43,500 --> 00:49:41,410
everybody like in

1151
00:49:45,870 --> 00:49:43,510
Independence Day hey folks now we know

1152
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:45,880
we're not alone I mean for for many

1153
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:48,400
people it appears that is the only thing

1154
00:49:55,410 --> 00:49:52,330
that they will accept as disclosure okay

1155
00:49:57,390 --> 00:49:55,420
but there it's already happened in terms

1156
00:49:59,370 --> 00:49:57,400
of that the reality of that being

1157
00:50:01,230 --> 00:49:59,380
confirmed and this is another word

1158
00:50:04,260 --> 00:50:01,240
that's being thrown is thrown around

1159
00:50:06,930 --> 00:50:04,270
this confirmation you know that the

1160
00:50:09,210 --> 00:50:06,940
these things are happening so if you if

1161
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:09,220
I think if we're if we're waiting if

1162
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:10,810
you're a person who's waiting for the

1163
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:13,690
government to do it in that way I think

1164
00:50:19,380 --> 00:50:17,290
you will likely never see it the only

1165
00:50:21,630 --> 00:50:19,390
way that's going to happen the way that

1166
00:50:23,970 --> 00:50:21,640
it will likely happen in my opinion

1167
00:50:27,380 --> 00:50:23,980
would be that they make themselves known

1168
00:50:30,180 --> 00:50:27,390
in a public way it's up to them to

1169
00:50:32,490 --> 00:50:30,190
disclose their presence to us because

1170
00:50:35,010 --> 00:50:32,500
our government is not going to do it

1171
00:50:37,380 --> 00:50:35,020
they're their fingers are too dirty they

1172
00:50:38,850 --> 00:50:37,390
have too much history that how do you

1173
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:38,860
explain that yeah oh we've known about

1174
00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:41,440
this for seventy years but we kept the

1175
00:50:46,410 --> 00:50:44,110
technology to ourselves or we've

1176
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:46,420
weaponized it and we've denied you know

1177
00:50:51,570 --> 00:50:49,090
use of technology that could have freed

1178
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:51,580
us from fossil fuels seventy years ago

1179
00:50:57,150 --> 00:50:54,730
and blood all of it Oh forgive us you

1180
00:50:57,900 --> 00:50:57,160
know never mind no I don't think that's

1181
00:51:01,890 --> 00:50:57,910
gonna happen

1182
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:01,900
so it'll probably be disclosed in a way

1183
00:51:08,340 --> 00:51:05,200
that most people would accept by them

1184
00:51:10,650 --> 00:51:08,350
not us exactly I think that's a good way

1185
00:51:12,420 --> 00:51:10,660
to look at it if there is some sort of

1186
00:51:15,090 --> 00:51:12,430
non-human intelligence behind this

1187
00:51:16,890 --> 00:51:15,100
controlled mechanism of the UFO

1188
00:51:19,260 --> 00:51:16,900
phenomenon it's gonna be on their

1189
00:51:21,450 --> 00:51:19,270
timetable I I couldn't agree more with

1190
00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:21,460
you on that it's never gonna come from

1191
00:51:26,850 --> 00:51:24,910
us unfortunately yeah and I think to

1192
00:51:29,610 --> 00:51:26,860
myself why do we give the government

1193
00:51:31,410 --> 00:51:29,620
that power over us why do we say the

1194
00:51:33,930 --> 00:51:31,420
only way we're gonna believe it is if

1195
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:33,940
they say it I mean it's I make us kind

1196
00:51:38,430 --> 00:51:35,920
of a smart comment in the article but

1197
00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:38,440
that's like saying the only way that

1198
00:51:44,130 --> 00:51:41,110
we're gonna believe that the Roosters

1199
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:44,140
disappearance is if we uh you know ask

1200
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:46,090
the Fox if he Hannah

1201
00:51:51,090 --> 00:51:48,970
you know the Fox has to tell us that the

1202
00:51:53,820 --> 00:51:51,100
roots are disappearing I mean it's just

1203
00:51:55,110 --> 00:51:53,830
it's not the right place to go to ask

1204
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:55,120
ask that

1205
00:52:00,060 --> 00:51:58,480
genin expected honest answer so no and

1206
00:52:05,070 --> 00:52:00,070
the government is much dumber than

1207
00:52:06,990 --> 00:52:05,080
people think in science i no offense I

1208
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:07,000
know you are you you were a former

1209
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:09,760
government employee so and no offense to

1210
00:52:14,070 --> 00:52:11,490
you Shane

1211
00:52:15,240 --> 00:52:14,080
you know at the time of recording this

1212
00:52:19,170 --> 00:52:15,250
we're probably going to see another

1213
00:52:21,150 --> 00:52:19,180
government shutdown it's clear that the

1214
00:52:23,250 --> 00:52:21,160
government is so compartmentalize that

1215
00:52:25,410 --> 00:52:23,260
they probably wouldn't know what the UFO

1216
00:52:28,110 --> 00:52:25,420
phenomenon was to begin with no

1217
00:52:30,810 --> 00:52:28,120
absolutely not even kind of use that

1218
00:52:32,940 --> 00:52:30,820
logic in my own case working with in any

1219
00:52:35,250 --> 00:52:32,950
large organization doesn't even have to

1220
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:35,260
be government you know you don't know

1221
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:37,450
what the guy five cubicles over does

1222
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:40,090
everything necessarily or you know on

1223
00:52:43,980 --> 00:52:41,890
another floor and another building I

1224
00:52:45,870 --> 00:52:43,990
mean you know it's almost like a family

1225
00:52:48,090 --> 00:52:45,880
that you you have a certain way of doing

1226
00:52:49,980 --> 00:52:48,100
things and certain information well you

1227
00:52:50,670 --> 00:52:49,990
don't hang your dirty laundry out for

1228
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:50,680
everyone to see

1229
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:52,960
you know tell everybody all these things

1230
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:54,400
that could be embarrassing it's not that

1231
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:56,800
you're trying to be secretive or hide

1232
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:58,720
things it's just hey that that stuff's

1233
00:53:02,670 --> 00:53:00,640
not anyone else's business you know and

1234
00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:02,680
I think organizations are like that as

1235
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:04,480
well you know I'm not gonna go out and

1236
00:53:08,250 --> 00:53:06,400
advertise something that's really just

1237
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:08,260
our personal business and not that I'm

1238
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:10,480
hiding it so I think you know that

1239
00:53:14,010 --> 00:53:12,610
happens in government and the left hand

1240
00:53:15,870 --> 00:53:14,020
doesn't know what the right hand is

1241
00:53:17,940 --> 00:53:15,880
doing there's a lot of reasons for that

1242
00:53:20,340 --> 00:53:17,950
you know good reasons and bad reasons

1243
00:53:23,010 --> 00:53:20,350
sometimes it's you know silos because

1244
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:23,020
there's jealousy or you know where it's

1245
00:53:26,460 --> 00:53:24,970
legitimate this business process is

1246
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:26,470
completely different in this business

1247
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:28,810
process there's no link between them why

1248
00:53:32,850 --> 00:53:30,400
would I know about those things I mean

1249
00:53:34,890 --> 00:53:32,860
like I said once you you know you're

1250
00:53:37,470 --> 00:53:34,900
involved on that level you understand oh

1251
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:37,480
it's very easy for some piece of

1252
00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:39,610
information to just completely get

1253
00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:42,310
buried or lost I think that's what's

1254
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:44,710
happening yep yep pretty sure of that

1255
00:53:48,930 --> 00:53:46,720
whoever was working next to Luis

1256
00:53:52,670 --> 00:53:48,940
Elizondo was it like hey what's going on

1257
00:53:55,830 --> 00:53:52,680
with that tic-tac thing over there yeah

1258
00:53:59,010 --> 00:53:55,840
well [\h__\h] I have to ask you as a as a

1259
00:54:01,830 --> 00:53:59,020
field investigator who's looked into so

1260
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:01,840
many UFO cases at this point what advice

1261
00:54:07,950 --> 00:54:04,810
would you give someone just coming into

1262
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:07,960
all this where should they turn to to

1263
00:54:10,890 --> 00:54:08,800
look

1264
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:10,900
for credible information about UFOs and

1265
00:54:15,390 --> 00:54:13,090
how can they get involved with actual

1266
00:54:18,060 --> 00:54:15,400
investigations yeah that's that's a

1267
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:18,070
great question I think you know I I was

1268
00:54:23,250 --> 00:54:20,770
fortunate enough to you know hit the

1269
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:23,260
right note at the right time when I got

1270
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:26,290
into it with with MUFON in fact I'm

1271
00:54:34,020 --> 00:54:27,970
writing a book now and I hope to publish

1272
00:54:35,310 --> 00:54:34,030
soon that is is about my experience you

1273
00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:35,320
know like a beginner's guide to

1274
00:54:39,690 --> 00:54:38,110
researching ufology because as I

1275
00:54:42,180 --> 00:54:39,700
mentioned earlier you know there is we

1276
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:42,190
and there is chaff and and there's also

1277
00:54:50,010 --> 00:54:46,210
this whole political veil over all of it

1278
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:50,020
that that can kind of block you from you

1279
00:54:53,700 --> 00:54:51,370
know determining what's really good

1280
00:54:56,190 --> 00:54:53,710
information and bad information so you

1281
00:54:58,410 --> 00:54:56,200
know my recommendation certainly is you

1282
00:55:00,660 --> 00:54:58,420
know read all that you can and get get a

1283
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:00,670
variety and you know in your mind you

1284
00:55:05,070 --> 00:55:02,890
just need to be on guard knowing that

1285
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:05,080
you know some of this information is

1286
00:55:10,170 --> 00:55:07,330
going to range from complete and utter

1287
00:55:12,110 --> 00:55:10,180
nonsense all the way to you know maybe

1288
00:55:14,790 --> 00:55:12,120
some very highly technical and complex

1289
00:55:16,500 --> 00:55:14,800
and from information and everything in

1290
00:55:18,990 --> 00:55:16,510
between and you're going to have to kind

1291
00:55:21,630 --> 00:55:19,000
of calibrate your BS meter so to speak

1292
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:21,640
and try and sort that out but the good

1293
00:55:26,580 --> 00:55:24,010
thing is about you know the UFO field is

1294
00:55:28,890 --> 00:55:26,590
you know we police ourselves pretty well

1295
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:28,900
when it comes to the nonsense now I mean

1296
00:55:32,340 --> 00:55:30,610
there's a tumult out there especially on

1297
00:55:34,380 --> 00:55:32,350
social media and that kind of thing

1298
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:34,390
but when you get down to some serious

1299
00:55:39,390 --> 00:55:36,850
research people do do their due

1300
00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:39,400
diligence and you know I would I would

1301
00:55:43,590 --> 00:55:41,250
avoid a lot of the you know

1302
00:55:45,630 --> 00:55:43,600
sensationalistic stuff you know some of

1303
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:45,640
the YouTube stuff and not not that

1304
00:55:49,710 --> 00:55:47,290
everything on YouTube is bad but you

1305
00:55:51,630 --> 00:55:49,720
know we know there are certain sites

1306
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:51,640
that that you know promote this

1307
00:55:57,630 --> 00:55:54,370
sensationalistic stuff and and you know

1308
00:55:59,700 --> 00:55:57,640
it's just - it's so unfortunate but you

1309
00:56:01,560 --> 00:55:59,710
know there must be an appetite for it so

1310
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:01,570
but if you want to be a credible and

1311
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:03,610
serious researcher you know read

1312
00:56:07,110 --> 00:56:06,130
credible and serious books by serious

1313
00:56:10,050 --> 00:56:07,120
incredible people

1314
00:56:12,030 --> 00:56:10,060
same with documentaries and just be

1315
00:56:14,660 --> 00:56:12,040
aware that there is an incentive out

1316
00:56:17,310 --> 00:56:14,670
there for people to produce false

1317
00:56:20,100 --> 00:56:17,320
information and it's really to you know

1318
00:56:21,810 --> 00:56:20,110
sell videos or clickbait and all those

1319
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:21,820
other things so you just kind of got

1320
00:56:23,970 --> 00:56:22,210
edge

1321
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:23,980
case yourself in that way and be aware

1322
00:56:27,570 --> 00:56:25,930
but once you get to that point where you

1323
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:27,580
feel like you have a good handle on the

1324
00:56:31,050 --> 00:56:29,170
knowledge through your personal research

1325
00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:31,060
make sure you hook up with other people

1326
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:33,730
that that was probably the biggest thing

1327
00:56:39,060 --> 00:56:36,130
that you know helped me grow quickly is

1328
00:56:41,849 --> 00:56:39,070
you know I I was able to come out with

1329
00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:41,859
people like you and Jason and marine and

1330
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:45,250
you know Alejandro and then you know you

1331
00:56:50,849 --> 00:56:48,400
know I came into contact with Richard

1332
00:56:53,130 --> 00:56:50,859
Dolan and and you know Nick Pope and all

1333
00:56:54,810 --> 00:56:53,140
these people who were one you know at

1334
00:56:56,609 --> 00:56:54,820
one point there were just my heroes and

1335
00:56:57,930 --> 00:56:56,619
people on TV the next thing I'm having

1336
00:57:00,990 --> 00:56:57,940
dinner with them I mean I couldn't

1337
00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:01,000
believe it but this is this is when you

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insert yourself in a positive way you

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00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:07,720
engage with others you know that's all

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we want you know like I said this

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ufology is about people really and you

1342
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:15,430
know when you engage like that this is

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00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:17,650
really the quickest way to grow so

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that's what I recommend connect with

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people on Facebook you know read some

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00:57:26,460 --> 00:57:24,240
good books and and watch watch good

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00:57:29,220 --> 00:57:26,470
documentaries and go to these UFO

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00:57:31,530 --> 00:57:29,230
conferences and you know insert yourself

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00:57:33,690 --> 00:57:31,540
and engage in play and you know you

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you're gonna you're gonna grow and

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you're gonna thrive so and then and you

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00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:38,170
know I'll put a plug in for MUFON I know

1353
00:57:43,380 --> 00:57:40,510
there's plenty of criticism out there

1354
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:43,390
about MUFON and some of its legitimate

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00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:46,330
and some of its not but I can say my

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00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:48,310
experience and you know two and a half

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00:57:53,790 --> 00:57:51,040
years of being an investigator has been

1358
00:57:56,849 --> 00:57:53,800
absolutely nothing but fantastic and

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00:58:00,329 --> 00:57:56,859
positive we get great leadership and

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00:58:04,260 --> 00:58:00,339
training and backup and support and

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00:58:06,180 --> 00:58:04,270
great camaraderie through it and you

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know it's the best best thing I ever did

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00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:08,530
and you know I highly recommend it

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00:58:14,849 --> 00:58:11,200
that's awesome and it's so good and

1365
00:58:17,099 --> 00:58:14,859
refreshing to to hear in see through the

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00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:17,109
lens of such an optimistic and positive

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00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:19,599
person when it comes to the UFO field

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00:58:23,700 --> 00:58:21,250
there's so much backbiting

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00:58:27,089 --> 00:58:23,710
you know with any organization or field

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00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:27,099
as it yeah and negativity that to have

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00:58:31,410 --> 00:58:28,960
someone like you out there pushing the

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positives and taking that personal

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00:58:38,219 --> 00:58:34,809
journey and still being excited of

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00:58:40,739 --> 00:58:38,229
after all this time of all of us never

1375
00:58:43,469 --> 00:58:40,749
getting the answer we seek it's so good

1376
00:58:46,109 --> 00:58:43,479
to hear that so where can we find out

1377
00:58:48,239 --> 00:58:46,119
more about what you're up to and what to

1378
00:58:49,919 --> 00:58:48,249
expect about this upcoming book of yours

1379
00:58:52,499 --> 00:58:49,929
I'm really excited about that

1380
00:58:56,699 --> 00:58:52,509
yeah well certainly you can catch me on

1381
00:58:59,939 --> 00:58:56,709
Facebook Shane herd and Twitter you can

1382
00:59:03,169 --> 00:58:59,949
go to a rogue planet and keep up with me

1383
00:59:07,229 --> 00:59:03,179
there and you know go to MUFON calm and

1384
00:59:08,849 --> 00:59:07,239
feel free to email me my email address

1385
00:59:12,059 --> 00:59:08,859
and I'm gonna give that out to you as

1386
00:59:15,029 --> 00:59:12,069
herd ranch at aol.com I'll be happy to

1387
00:59:16,949 --> 00:59:15,039
engage with you and share anything I can

1388
00:59:19,409 --> 00:59:16,959
help you and your own growth this has

1389
00:59:21,630 --> 00:59:19,419
been a really fascinating conversation

1390
00:59:23,609 --> 00:59:21,640
with you tonight and it really it was

1391
00:59:26,339 --> 00:59:23,619
upbeat and that's exactly what I needed

1392
00:59:27,839 --> 00:59:26,349
heading into this new year so I have to

1393
00:59:29,399 --> 00:59:27,849
thank you for doing that and I have to

1394
00:59:32,189 --> 00:59:29,409
thank you for coming on somewhere in the

1395
00:59:33,870 --> 00:59:32,199
skies oh well thanks so much for for

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00:59:36,209 --> 00:59:33,880
inviting me I've really enjoyed it and

1397
00:59:38,159 --> 00:59:36,219
yeah I just I really like to encourage

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people if they're interested you know go

1399
00:59:42,839 --> 00:59:40,719
at it in a positive way there's a lot to

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be done out there and you will be

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welcomed that's it for this week's

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episode again my thanks to Shane for

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00:59:53,130 --> 00:59:50,979
joining us please take a few moments to

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